Curse

taco_salad · Jul 23, 2006, 05:05 AM // 05:05

here is something evil some people started to do today in alliance battles. They form a party of suiciders and cast EOE and Predatory Season. Then kill themselves to kill spike that one side. Well this causes a bug that stops the rez of the whole kurzick side for some reason, and lets the luxons win without any fighting.

I dunno about you, but isn't a game suposed to be about playing?

I reported it but my reports never go through so....anyone know how to stop this?? I mean in 2 hours the luxons pushed out of their town and into the heart of HzH!

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jul 23, 2006, 09:21 AM // 09:21

lol the kurzicks screwed themselves over comitting SUICIDE no less......silly little emos

Arturo02 · Jul 23, 2006, 06:05 PM // 18:05

report anyone who does this and take screenshots. They have to be using two accounts to do this and technically it is not legal to do so under the same isp. It's right in the user agreement.

Shadow-Hunter · Jul 23, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Why do they have to use 2 Accs to do this??

~Shadow

Pawn · Jul 23, 2006, 06:54 PM // 18:54

they could be doing it for laughs and how would killing your own team be faction farming i think its hilarious

Sarevok Thordin · Jul 23, 2006, 08:03 PM // 20:03

yeah I just heard about this.

Someone is gonna get it for that......

Kaguya · Jul 23, 2006, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Originally Posted by Arturo02

report anyone who does this and take screenshots. They have to be using two accounts to do this and technically it is not legal to do so under the same isp. It's right in the user agreement.

Why they need to be having two accounts? And where in EULA does it forbid connecting more than one client from single IP?

That kind of restricition would make netcafes, dorms, aparments with shared internet connections etc EULA breaking.

taco_salad · Jul 23, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11

even then they could be just a group of friends who want to see luxons push into kurzick's land

Arturo02 · Jul 24, 2006, 02:55 AM // 02:55

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Originally Posted by Kaguya

Why they need to be having two accounts? And where in EULA does it forbid connecting more than one client from single IP?

That kind of restricition would make netcafes, dorms, aparments with shared internet connections etc EULA breaking.

I have to apologize as I usually do when I am wrong. I read through the User Agreement several times and did not find anything about what I stated earlier. But the person who told me is a reliable source and I am going to ask them where they saw it.

But I still stand by what I said about reporting them. While there is a legal right to use the skills in combat, it completely ruins competition if it is allowed to happen BEFORE the match even begins. So the more people that report, the better chance we have to stop the cheating. You can't have alliance battles with this going on, it kills the whole concept.

As for using a second account, it has been my experience people tend to use second accounts for exploits and this coincidentally comes at the same time the attention is on the free trial accounts. Also, it's a double faction weekend so wouldn't be very hard to build up enough faction to unlock eoe and anything to help you kill yourself.

But they could use their main accounts if they wanted to.

At least I admitted I was wrong.

Ecksor · Jul 24, 2006, 04:46 AM // 04:46

I still don't see how people can report you for Sacrificing yourself to death when EoE happens to be up. When you look at it that way, you're really just reporting the bug that you don't get ressed after everyone dies.

Kaguya · Jul 24, 2006, 05:44 AM // 05:44

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Originally Posted by Ecksor

I still don't see how people can report you for Sacrificing yourself to death when EoE happens to be up. When you look at it that way, you're really just reporting the bug that you don't get ressed after everyone dies.

Killing yourself is fine, but intentionally killing the whole team so that they effectively can't play is griefing, which is against the EULA thus could warrant a ban.

Hope they fix the bug, goes along the same sillyness as the Aspenwood and Unyielding Aura-bug

Arturo02 · Jul 24, 2006, 08:53 AM // 08:53

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Originally Posted by Ecksor

I still don't see how people can report you for Sacrificing yourself to death when EoE happens to be up. When you look at it that way, you're really just reporting the bug that you don't get ressed after everyone dies.

if it happened in the field of play fine. I can deal with that. But not before you even get a chance to fight. The timer to start the match still shows 30 seconds yet our team is dead. Eoe didn't 'happen' to be up, it was done intentionally to give the other side an unfair advantage. There is no reason to cast eoe in your home base unless you want to kill the team. You obviously don't know the mechanics of the issue.

And even if the rez bug was fixed the person would just suicide again. The issue is not the rez bug. The whole thing is an exploit, a way to use legal game mechanics to cheat. That is not fair in any way and it kills games. Just ask anyone who played UO.

That said I didn't see any eoe tonight so the problem has been addressed. So refreshing to play a game where they take care of exploits even on the weekends.

TheOneMephisto · Jul 24, 2006, 12:32 PM // 12:32

Still not understanding how it's against the ULA. It's griefing sure, but do runners in RA get bans for griefing? Unless it's like luxons coming over to the Kurzick side to do it, but I'm betting that it's just teams of friends doing it for shits and giggles.

Kaguya · Jul 24, 2006, 12:59 PM // 12:59

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Originally Posted by TheOneMephisto

Still not understanding how it's against the ULA. It's griefing sure, but do runners in RA get bans for griefing?

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Originally Posted by http://guildwars.com/support/legal/rulesofconduct.php #18

You will not exploit any bug in Guild Wars and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Guild Wars.

They are abusing a bug that prevents your teammates from respawning, thus violating the rule. Thenagain, we are breaking the said rule by discussing it here.

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Originally Posted by http://guildwars.com/support/legal/rulesofconduct.php #1

While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.

RoC #1 is a bit unclear, the are in a way breaking it, but thenagain they aren't. It's all about point of view.

Aejorii · Jul 24, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20

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Originally Posted by TheOneMephisto

Unless it's like luxons coming over to the Kurzick side to do it, but I'm betting that it's just teams of friends doing it for shits and giggles.

This is it.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jul 25, 2006, 04:29 AM // 04:29

it happened to me today, and I now know that it was a kurzick spy team, they EoE bombed the luxon side, then left and then the kurzick team started laughing about it saying how sneaky they were, this is a malicious thing, not just fun and game anymore, the buttholes bombed us then leftus with an 8V12

dgb · Jul 26, 2006, 02:45 AM // 02:45

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Originally Posted by Kaguya

RoC #1 is a bit unclear, the are in a way breaking it, but thenagain they aren't. It's all about point of view.

It's also utterly inane. If I wanted to I could construe every PVP match to have something breaking it. That warrior just unloading an eviscerate to me is distressing, BAN!

JoDiamonds · Jul 26, 2006, 12:40 PM // 12:40

Griefing is a shade of gray.

Runners in RA can at least claim they are potentially still trying to win. Running (temporarily) is clearly a viable tactic at least some of the time, so it's not always entirely clear why someone is currently running. (But it's a pretty good instinct to run away from four enemies anyway).

Killing your own whole team before play even begins is clearly not beneficial to anyone, and requires that you setup a team with EoE and self-sacrifice skills. This is obviously pre-meditated griefing and clearly against the user agreement.

You could try to be weasely and more technical and keep arguing about it, but I doubt that Arena Net would see it any other way (especially if people take screen shots and report you).

TheMadKingGeorge · Jul 26, 2006, 12:59 PM // 12:59

im gonna do it and im gonna say get better monks

richirich · Jul 26, 2006, 01:25 PM // 13:25

tut tut typical luxon behaviour :P j/k...but seriously it should be fixed its like the bug that killed the holding team in hoh by yet again eoe..dunno how they fix this one though negate the effects of all spirits before the timer starts?